jami ([info]mochiman) wrote,
@ 2005-07-21 14:15:00
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Understanding Comi-- GIMME A FUCKING BREAK!
Or as I also like to call it, making tons of cash out of pseudo-intellectualism.

If you are not aware, there is a book entitled Understanding Comics written by Scott McCloud who has been touted by some as comic-dom's Moses, charlatan and mouthy windbag by others.

The fact that such a thing exists illustrates my point better than any LJ rant. But rant I shall because it entertains me to do so.

The only people I know who have ever mentioned Understanding Comics in any context are the webcomic folks. This is usually in the same breath as Reinventing Comics which is another tome of shenanigans to which I shall never subject my eyes or my brain. But they exist.

I have not read the book, nor do I ever intend to read it. Nor have any other comic book professionals in my circle of friends. They're too busy trying to make rent. I should qualify this. I speak of my friends who work for Marvel, Image, DC, whatever, not the webcomics people I know.

Perhaps I am not intellectual enough to understand why one would need another to tell them how to understand comics. Okay, so possibly if you only know English and the words in the comic you're trying to read are kanji and not English, then possibly you would need someone else to tell you how to understand that comic. But that's more mechanics of language than anything.

Understanding comics, if they happen to be written in a language that you understand, seems relatively straight forward. You got your pictures. Sometimes, you got words. Voila! Comics! What else is there to understand?

I guess this speaks more to my personality than anything else. I don't necessarily care about knowing the exact chemical makeup of water. I just drink the stuff. I don't give a shit what makes up a comic or not. I just read the things. And sometimes, I make the things. There really isn't much more to it. Yes, I could go on for hours lauding the literary merits of comics as an art form. I could fill terabytes with rants of how comics are a necessity to stimulate the imagination. But none of that would help you enjoy comics any more or any less for that matter.

To look at it from a different perspective, let's take Dave Matthew's Band. I hate Dave Matthew's Band. I understand that his group is made up of some fairly decent musicians. His compositions are quite complex and melodious. His lyrics evoke imagery that is so badly missing from much of today's popular music. They are a tight band. I understand all of that. I still hate his music and I can't stand to listen to his group.

Intellectualizing comics won't help you like them any better just like intellectualizing the Dave Matthew's Band doesn't make me like them.

You either like comics. Or you don't.

Perhaps the value of a thing like Understanding Comics lies not in its message, but the discussion that such a thing and engender. This rant, for example, would never have come to be were it not for Understanding Comics. Not that this is a very good or well written rant, but it is part of a broader discussion on comics as an art form. However, do we really need such discussions? Clearly, just because you know the merits of a thing doesn't mean you'll like it any more. And Understanding Comics isn't exactly getting new fans into the stores. I'm fairly certain that my girl friend would never touch the book if she saw it in a bookstore. No, the only reason why she's remotely interested in comics at all is because I threw a bunch of Sandman at her.

Which brings me to my ultimate point. The best way to understand comics is to fucking well read a comic. Pick up a graphic novel at a bookstore. Or let your geeky friend throw some comics at you. You don't need some dude to tell you how to understand anything.

Understand for yourself.

Read a comic.




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[info]glitchphil
2005-07-21 07:06 pm UTC (link)
You're taking the title of the book at face value.

What it is not is "Teaching people how to understand comics."

In fact, a great deal of the book examines the phenomenon of how we all already understand comics without even having to think about it.

What it is, is an analysis of the medium, and pyschological and sociological theory on why it works so well and why it is what it is. It's art theory. And most art theory has never been as neccessary as the art itself. McCloud makes no illusions as being an authority on the subject, as he makes plainly clear that this is all what he thinks, what he discovered through research, and wants more than anything for it to promote discussion of the topic of "What is Comics?"

But you're right as well. Go to the store, grab a comic, and read it.

Understanding Comics is for those who enjoy analyzing the medium, or simply for those with curious, inquisitive minds about comics. It's not a bible, it's not a "must-read," but I'll strongly say that it definitely will change the way you look at comics, if only slightly.

More importantly the book is FUN.

Reinventing Comics, however, is another matter entirely. That's a book filled with his ideas for the future, and where he thinks the business of comics can go. I'll openly say time and time again: Understanding is some great analysis of comics as a medium. It's really cool, and it made me think a lot more thoroughly about what I'm doing. Reinventing is interesting, but I find myself disagreeing with a lot of the ideas presented. And that's fine. I'm satisfied with disagreeing.

The point of view you represent is just as important as the one McCloud represents. Because all points of view are neccessary for anyone to have any sort of clear vision on the matter.

I'm not about to tell you that "OMFG YOU MUST REDA TEH BOOK," or anything. But I will always highly recommend it.

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[info]glitchphil
2005-07-21 07:08 pm UTC (link)
And yes, I've touted him as Comic Book Moses. Mostly in jest than anything else. I don't believe he's "The Leader," but he is finding himself to be the figurehead of a sect of the webcomics community. Which he acknowledges, and rarely if ever takes advantage of.

But regardless, he's leading a group over the desert, figureatively. We don't know where he's going though.

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[info]mochiman
2005-07-21 07:29 pm UTC (link)
At this point, I doubt if he even knows where he's going. Hahaha! Micropayments? HAHAHHAHAA!

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[info]mikeisenberg
2005-07-22 02:00 am UTC (link)
Keep in mind that Reinventing Comics came out just as the internet bubble had burst. Micropayments may seem terribly silly now, but at the time they sounded as good as any other plan for getting over the crash.

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[info]glitchphil
2005-07-22 03:42 am UTC (link)
Agreed. Micropayments COULD WORK if only net commerce weren't so insecure.

I mean you know yourself: Micropayments work. Just not for WEBCOMICS.

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[info]spkr4thedead51
2005-07-21 07:23 pm UTC (link)
I've not read either of the books, but they sound like they are both part of the subset of comic enthusiasts who are trying to legitimize comics as an artform in the eyes of outsiders.

To some extent, it's very similar to a process that has been on-going for years in science fiction and fantasy publishing. A lot of the literary community has always denigrated the genres for their historical origin in pulp-fiction. Modern science fiction (really all science fiction except for a few specific authors) has been written for only 80-90 years. It wasn't until about 40 years ago that there was any real movement within the literary community that saw scifi as a valuable and meaningful form of fiction. In the academic community, scifi and fantasy are viewed as the bastard step-children of "real" writing. It is true that there are now college classes that discuss the genres, but it is often examining their impact and influence on modern society, not their literary validity. And those classes are often taught by the few genre authors who have been able to work their way into academia in other areas of study.

I've contemplated going to grad school in english/creative writing with the hope of being able to focus my study science fiction as a serious genre. There is only 1 program in the entire US that actually provides that option - at Kansas. The guy who runs the program is the same guy who taught the science fiction professor (John Kessel) here at NCSU. I asked Dr Kessel about graduate programs in scifi, his response was that he didn't know of any programs but that there were occasionally professors who were "sympathetic to the topic."

Anyway, my point (I have a point?) is that comic books are facing a similar plight. Hell, your use of the term "graphic novel" exemplifies that. Comics have been around for about 80 years, that phrase is a product of the last 10-20 as a result of people trying to bring a serious view of the style into the mainstream. For that ever to happen, people need to understand the history of comics and that they aren't just stories of people with special powers fighting other people with powers. I think thats what phil is saying that Understanding is trying to do.

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[info]mochiman
2005-07-21 07:32 pm UTC (link)
I never thought of it that way, but the term graphic novel is fairly new. I never even heard of the term until I was well into college. Oh gee, the geeks are trying to get into book stores. But it's so true.

It's nice that Understanding sounds like more of a celebration of the art form than anything else. But it still sounds like a crock of shit to me. I think a good number of us who get into comics recognize that at some point, it's almost impossible to take ourselves too seriously.

Well, then there's Maus. There's nothing funny about Maus. And it's bloody brilliant.

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[info]spkr4thedead51
2005-07-21 07:40 pm UTC (link)
There's nothing funny about Maus. And it's bloody brilliant.

Amen.

Though his father's attitude/behavior is rather amusing at times.

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[info]glitchphil
2005-07-22 04:43 am UTC (link)
I'd like to point out that McCloud uses Art Spiegelman/Maus as an example several times throughout the book.

And spkr's totally right. It's a celebration of the medium. I couldn't have put it better myself.

Also here's a fun analogy: The book ain't all that pretentious. It's mostly the arthouse pretentious fuckers it inspired. Kinda like how the Bible as a standalone tome is good and meaningful and all that. But it's all those people who take it and get way out of hand that are the assholes, and make the Bible look bad (since they like to take it and misconstrue it to their point of view). It's not the same, but it's similar.

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[info]mikeisenberg
2005-07-22 01:57 am UTC (link)
Understanding is a fun book. I read it back when I was in middle school, before Reinventing came out. The web barely existed, much less webcomics, and there certainly wasn't any McCloud cult holding the guy up as a god. It's less about picking apart comics and analyzing them, and more about how the brain interprets information visually, except it's not nearly as boring as that sounds. For me, back then, it opened me up to a lot of really interesting ideas about storytelling and reader interaction and the nature of art.

Of course you're right that intellectualizing comics won't make any individual comic better, but it will improve the state of comics in general. Academic analysis and acceptance of the medium will help comics grow out of its "for kids" image much faster, which means that more potential creators will be willing to enter the field where they otherwise might not have considered it and would have gone into another medium.

In the early days of comics, most artists and writers thought of the job as a stepping stone to "real" illustration or writing work. It took crazy idealists like Will Eisner to step up and say "No, comics is a real artistic medium with real potential," and to break it down and show its possibilities, before imaginative and creative artists were willing to put the effort into making comics more than they were.

While his cult may have gone over the top with his ideas, McCloud is really just taking Eisner's initial impulse in new directions, in a pretty sensible way, if you read the books. Reinventing is a bit dated and silly looking a few years later, but Understanding is still a really interesting read.

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[info]glitchphil
2005-07-22 04:44 am UTC (link)
Dammit, everyone's saying what I want to say better than I am.

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[info]mochiman
2005-07-22 04:59 am UTC (link)
Holy shit! Hey Mike! How's things?

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[info]mikeisenberg
2005-07-22 06:25 am UTC (link)
Not bad. Hanging out in Portland, OR this summer. I was supposed to have an internship with Top Shelf Productions, but just before I got out here the guy I was supposed to be working with let me know that he wasn't going to be in town most of the summer. So I'm just enjoying the city. Now that San Diego is over, though, I think the guy is back in town so I might have an internship yet.

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[info]erikochan
2005-07-22 02:46 am UTC (link)
I've always seen Understanding Comics as a more academic view of the genre, something which has not really been done to this level before or since to my knowledge. It has been several years since I read it (around high school/early univ.), but as I remember it talked about the roots of the genre and how things fit into the bigger scheme of things. By treating comics as an art form and not just disposable entertainment, I was able to see comics in a new way, to trulyunderstand the genre. It was one of the very first encounters I had with manga and encouraged me later to seek out more obscure works and see old favourites in a new light. Understanding Comics is not necessarily the be all and end all of comic enlightenment. But for those with an open mind, it is a very interesting and thoughtful compilation of Scott McCloud's own ideas about why and how comics came to be.

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[info]johnnyrockstar
2005-07-22 03:23 pm UTC (link)
i love your explanation of dave matthews band. i am going to add it to my collection of explaining why sometimes i just don't like really good bands.

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